Has He Moved On? How To Get Him Back If He Has A Girlfriend

"I Can't Believe I Actually Have a Chance of Getting Him Back!"

With over 7 million women just like you coming to this site ever year, I’ve seen about every situation you could imagine. Most of the time, I can just ask a few questions about your situation and know in seconds the chances that you have of getting back together with him.

I’ve compressed all of that wisdom into a single calculator What Are Your Chances of Getting Your ExBoyfriend Back.

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It can really hurt when an ex boyfriend (who you still have feelings for) seemingly moves on to another girl. For many women out there they lose all hope of getting their ex back. Others will get angry and immediately look to start or cause a fight. Rarely will you ever come across one that does the smartest thing, stack the odds in her favor! That is really what this page is all about, how to get your ex boyfriend back if he has a new girlfriend by stacking the odds in your favor.

If you haven’t already read my epic article on how to get your ex boyfriend back I suggest you drop everything for the next 30 minutes (yes 30 minutes) and go read it.

What You Really Want..

When I first created this site I wanted to create the best online resource for getting your ex back. So far, I feel I have done a decent job of that. However, as I started interacting with you I began to notice that what I was writing wasn’t enough, you wanted more. This was especially true for those heartbroken women whose ex boyfriends have moved on to a new girlfriend. I understand how you particularly feel because I have interacted with so many of you. So, I decided to do something I have never done before.

I began writing a “super guide” on how to get your ex boyfriend back. I am talking about everything I could possibly think of. Eventually after 100 pages of writing I finished Ex Boyfriend Recovery PRO. Think of it like the ultimate step by step guide to getting an ex boyfriend back. It will teach you everything you will need to know. So, if you feel you want some more in depth instructions on how to get an ex boyfriend back then please click the link below:

Learn More About Ex Boyfriend Recovery PRO

Remember The Most Important Thing

Before you take any major steps to getting your ex boyfriend back it is important that you implement the No Contact Rule. Now, I am not going to go too deeply into that. In fact, I wrote an entire page just covering the no contact rule and what to do during it. You can visit that page here: No Contact Rule Guide.

If you don’t have the patience to read that entire page let me sum up some of the most important points for you.

No Contact Rule Main Points

  • No contact what-so-ever for 30 days (1 full month.)
  • This means no texting, calling, emailing, letters, facebook stalking or Googling.
  • During your 30 day freeze out make sure you improve yourself both mentally and physically.

You may be wondering why learning about the NCR (No Contact Rule) is so important. After all, this page is about a very unique situation, trying to get an ex boyfriend back who has a new girlfriend. Well, the importance of NOT CONTACTING YOUR EX is crucial in this particular situation. The fact that your old boyfriend has a new girlfriend can be heart crushing and you are going to want to contact your ex very badly (and you are definitely not going to have many good things to say.)

How Did He Get His New Girlfriend?

(Disclaimer: I promised myself that I was going to use this page to legitimately help people. So, I feel that this section is important. While this may not be a section about how to get him back it is a section that is something I added in to prevent you from making a big mistake, going after a guy that will only hurt you very deeply again.)

Believe it or not but how your ex boyfriend got his new girlfriend matters in a very big way. I am going to outline three situations for you, two of these situations are going to focus on guys that you should be trying to get back and one of the situations is going to be focusing on guys that you should not be trying to get back. Let’s begin.

Situation 1– You broke up with your ex, realized you wanted him back but found out that he got a new girlfriend after the breakup. If you are in this situation then you are free to go ahead and try to get your ex boyfriend back.

Situation 2– He broke up with you and later got a new girlfriend. Again, this is a really common situation and you are free to go ahead and try to get him back.

Situation 3- He left you for another girl. He was either cheating or was in love with someone else. Ladies, I am going to be completely honest here, this guy is not someone that you should want to get back with. Sure, you can try to get him back but he needs to prove to you that he is trustworthy.

4 Truths To Getting An Ex Boyfriend Back With A New Girlfriend

This section will explore some of the most important steps to getting back with an ex who has a new girlfriend. Admittedly you are at a bit of a disadvantage since he has moved on, or has he? Let’s explore!

Truth 1: Not contacting your ex is a must. Not only should you have implemented the No Contact Rule but you need to stay strong. Getting mad, breaking down and texting your ex a hateful message about his new girlfriend isn’t going to help your ultimate goal is it? Instead, be cool and don’t worry, every dog has it’s day.

Truth 2: It’s not always easy dating someone new. Especially if you came out of a relatively serious relationship. It may be entirely possible that your ex is uncomfortable in his new relationship. It happens all the time. This is one of the symptoms of what everyone likes to call a rebound relationship. This leads us to our next step..

Truth 3: Rebound relationships are relationships that usually form right after a breakup. Lucky for you rebound relationships don’t last forever. In fact, statistics show that 90% of rebound relationships are bound to fail. So, the odds are in your favor just make sure you keep your cool while he is dating his new girlfriend. Remember, if you freak out you are going to make a lot of mistakes and mistakes aren’t going to help get you two back together.

Truth 4: It is entirely possible that the further away from a breakup that your ex boyfriend gets the more nostalgic he will become about your relationship. Basically, instead of remembering all the bad things (like fights, disagreements or whatever caused your breakup) he will remember all the good things. This can definitely work in your favor.

How To Cope

It is not always easy to want someone back so badly and see them in another relationship with someone else. I put this section together to give you some advice on how to handle what you are feeling. Remember, just because he is dating someone new doesn’t mean your chances are gone completely. Sometimes men need to go out with someone new to realize just how good they had it with you.

Keep The Focus On You- Try your best not to obsess over his situation. You can’t control what he does but you can control what you do. Go out and have fun. Make new friends. Basically, just ramp up your social life so you can focus on the most important thing, yourself.

It’s Not Your Fault- Sometimes women have a tendency to believe that their ex started dating someone new because of something that they did or something that they could not provide. Dating isn’t always black and white like that. Whatever happens, make sure you don’t let an ex boyfriends actions affect how you feel.

Accept That There Will Be Pain- You are not a robot. You can’t just turn off your feelings. It’s ok to feel pain over the situation but once that pain starts creeping into your everyday life and effecting how you live then you have problems.

Beware Of The “I Want What I Can’t Have” Syndrome- This particular piece of advice probably should have gone higher on this page. Sometimes a select group of women will want their ex boyfriend back once they see him with someone new. If you find that you are in this situation be very careful about proceeding to get him back. You may need to go back and do some serious searching on whether or not you want him back for a legitimate reason.

Resist Any Comparisons- It is only human nature to want to compare yourself to the new (hopefully temporary) girlfriend. Are you better looking? Do you have a better personality? Comparing yourself to the new girl is not productive. You only hurt yourself in the process and that is not going to help your cause at all.

Are There Any Actions You Can Take To Help Your Cause?

So far this page has really been about personal things that you can do to get your ex back if he has a new squeeze. Now, I want you to realize that I laid this page out that way on purpose. The fact of the matter is that a certain amount of this is out of your control. I mean, if you have found a way to mind control someone please let me know because I could put that skill to good use. However, in this section I am briefly going to discuss certain actions you can take to drastically improve your chances of getting your ex boyfriend back.

(Remember, these actions should only be taken after you have completed the 30 Day No Contact Rule.)

Watch For Trouble Signs- No one is perfect and this is especially true of relationships. Each one has it’s ups and downs. Your job is to keep an eye out for his troubles with his new girl and be there to provide support and remind him how good he had it with you.

Initiate Contact Via Text Message- Test the waters with your ex boyfriend via text messaging. There are a whole set of rules and regulations that go with texting an ex. I am not going to go into those here but if you want to know them then please visit this page.

Be Very Nice To Him And His New Girlfriend- If you are on good terms with your ex or you have tested the waters via text messages and gotten a positive response be very wary about trashing his new girlfriend. It may be tempting but however strong that temptation is you are going to have to avoid it.

What Do You Think? (3,173)

  1. Sarah - 0

    Sarah

    I dated a man for almost a year and we were engaged. At that time I had a son at home and was very busy with all his highschool activities and we basically split because of the lack of time we had together. That was two years ago.

    About six weeks ago my ex calls and wants to talk. I called him back and we chatted a bit. Since that conversation we have text back and forth and even called and skyped. Recently the old feelings have started coming back for the both of us. He told me how much he has missed me and that we always had something special. Problem is he has a girlfriend now. They have been together about a year. He continues to tell me that he misses me and wants us to try again and I truly believe him but he hasn’t told the girlfriend yet.

    I don’t know how long I should give him but in the meantime its driving me crazy knowing they are together. I don’t know if he is scared of getting back together or doesn’t know how to end it.

    I feel like I need to just pull back and let him be. Then again I feel like he would think I was abandoning him.
    Suggestions

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    • Chris Seiter - 4

      EBR Team Member: Amor

      Hi Sarah,

      well, shouldn’t he be thinking that if he doesn’t break up with his girlfriend he would lose you? Have you told him that?

  2. June - 0

    June

    Thanks for the reply. I agree with what you say. I just want to clarify that he wasn’t a FWB. He asked me to be his girlfriend and We dated for a year. First for 7 months, then for 5. It wasn’t until the last breakup that he tried to downgrade things to FWB. We spent a great deal of time together and got along very well. Never fought. He always said how happy I made him. He really wanted to remain friends….or said he did. We never fought or had bad words. It wasn’t until I finally got emotional about things that he went more distant. I always gave him space and was never clingy with the exception of a couple instances of over texting. Should I never reach out even as a friend in the future?

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    • Chris Seiter - 4

      EBR Team Member: Amor

      Oh sorry! I misinterpreted what you said when you said you made a mistake of sleeping with him once. Or if you meant, it was just once, so you’re not really fwb right?

      You can reach out as a friend in the future, but it would be better if you do that once you’ve really moved on.

  3. Amber - 0

    Amber

    My ex fiance of 5 years broke up with me less than a month ago because he felt that my personal problems (I have depression and a chronic illness which I had been neglecting to take care of) were keeping me from pulling my weight of the relationship (which admittedly was true, I wasn’t there for him emotionally). He said that this changed his feelings for me, but that he still loved and cared about me. He wanted to keep in contact since we were best friends before our relationship started. We were talking pretry regularly, even flirting, and whenever we met in person to let him see our dogs (as I had taken them with me after the break up) he would always flirt with me and hint that we would get back together at some point, and that he hoped I had been making changes for myself and not just him.
    Well, not long ago his phone broke, so he had been finding other ways to contact me and talk, such as using the computer at his job or using a friend’s phone.
    After not talking to him for this past weekend, he suddenly posts on Facebook that he has a new girlfriend and that she makes him happy. After seeing that, i unfriended him to block some of the hurt.
    He stopped by the other day to pick up some of his stuff that got mixed up with mine, and again talked to me like old times and even hinted again that we could get back together (“who knows what the future will be”). He mentioned nothing of his new girlfriend except for when I asked him if he loved her, to which he replied that “we just started dating, I like her.” When he left he hugged me and said that he would message me when he could and that we should get together soon for coffee or take the dogs to the dog park together. It was very pleasant and left me feeling very hopeful.
    After that I re-sent a friend request, feeling different after everything that he had said. I didn’t hear from him the next day, and jokingly messaged him that he didn’t stick to his word. I mentioned that I enjoyed our talk, no matter how short the time we spent together, and said that I would love to give us a second chance and work on things together rather than apart. He sent me a message back today stating that “I don’t want to be rude but I’m not accepting your friend request and I don’t want to play games and go back and forth with you. I don’t know what you want me to say that I haven’t already. It’s also messed up that you ask me to take you back after I start dating someone else. You need to just let me be happy.”
    I confronted him about how he had been sending mixed messages but he has not answered.

    Of note: he still is using other means to talk to me because he doesn’t have a new phone yet, and he works with the girl he’s dating (she started a day or two before we broke up.)
    I also think it’s worth mentioning that his mom and dad both died from chronic illnesses and he witnessed both of their deaths. He had expressed to me in the past that he didn’t want to go through the same thing with me.

    Can someone help me understand?

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    • Chris Seiter - 4

      EBR Team Member: Amor

      Hi Amber,

      looks like she’s a rebound.. Do you want to try doing no contact so that it can help everything be clear? I think continuing to talk to him is not helping

  4. Juliette - 0

    Juliette

    So i am 17 and still in high school. I was dating this guy for about 4 months and about 2 weeks ago he decided to leave me for another girl who has been trying to get him to date her for months by creating fake love letters, hanging out at his work, proclaiming her feeling for him and creating a fake boyfriend to make him jealous for a while. He then told a lot of people from school that we broke up and I flipped and posted about what he did then he did the same, and contacted the other girl, and went to his mom to tell her about how about a week before he had gotten me really drunk to the point of throwing up with his 8 year old sister home and then invited the other girl and some of her friends over after all while his parents were on vacation. He then lost his car, a concert, his parents trust, and 100$. His parents then started to hate him for what he did to me along with a lot of the people from school.
    I then tried to go to his work and talk to him but he ended up storming out walking home and threatening me. After that i locked myself in my car off this back road where we used to go to have sex. I then stayed there until my parents came and called him to come to talk me down. After this our parents called our phone companies and got our numbers blocked by each other. I have to sit next to him every day so the no contact rule hasnt worked at all.
    His family currently hates the girl for drinking around his sister and want nothing to do with her but they can’t stop him from seeing her. They also have really only hung out in groups together and haven’t done anything intimate yet.
    He kept claiming that i was holding him back anf that this girl doesn’t which is why he wanted to be with her instead but that only came up on the day he tried to dump me. They have been seeing each other for 12 days now and he is determined she is perfect and he wants me to just be his friend. I still love him and want him back do I have a chance?

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    • Chris Seiter - 4

      EBR Team Member: Amor

      Hi Juliette,

      You need to do 45 days no contact.. I know it hurts a lot but chasing him and or staying in that state will not help you. Don’t be the bad guy in their relationship because that just makes him want to defend her. Make it seem that you have moved on..

  5. June - 0

    June

    I’m 42. Divorced 4.5 years with a 10 and 13 year old. I met a man who was going through his 4th divorce over a year ago. We hit it off and though it wasn’t easy dating him through his divorce he wanted to be with me. We dated for 7 months. I had Thanksgiving dinner and met his whole family. The next day he went cold and acted distant. He then broke up with me saying I hadn’t introduced him to my kids or my life as the reason. 2 months later he wanted me back and said that the kids had to be involved. He met them once after that. I continued to give him space and support him through his divorce. When his divorce was final in June he told me how he couldn’t believe I stood by him and how I was the best part of his life. Through this entire time he told me he was “terrified” of love and didn’t know if he could do it again. After his divorce in June we were going away for the weekend. He was watching his sisters dog while he was out of town and had to meet up with her best friend to return the dog. This friend of his sisters had made it clear she wanted him almost a year prior. She broke up with her boyfriend at the same time they were meeting up to exchange the dog. After our trip, the reality of the divorce started setting in. He became distant. We were to leave for a trip in July. For 2 days before, I heard nothing from him. We went on the trip. While on the trip we were on the way to dinner for my birthday. I saw his sisters friends name pop up on his phone. I couldn’t see it and didn’t mention it. The next day we were at a restaurant and I happened to mention that my son wanted to see where he lived. He totally freaked out and said he was “terrified of getting attached” I said to who – me, my kids or both? He then said he didn’t want to ruin the rest of the trip by talking about it. I know he wasn’t lying. I saw true terror and fear on his face. In any case, the trip was ruined and with no discussion he decided we should leave a few days early to head home. He broke up with me a few days later stating that he “wasn’t feeling what he should and didn’t know why” He said he wasn’t looking for romance, just female friends. I went total NC for a month. After that I texted him in a weak moment and at that time he offered me to be FWB. I made the mistake of sleeping with him once and then after several days I decided I couldn’t do it and told him so. We tried to be friends but I had a meltdown and told him after being downgraded and discarded I needed space and time to heal. A few days later I apologized and tried to discuss things. He got annoyed with me. I got upset and deleted him from FB thinking it was best for both of us. I sent him another text the next morning apologizing for things getting ugly and said I was accepting of the breakup but that didn’t mean I wasn’t still hurt. He replied kindly saying I was a true friend and how wonderful I was to him. 10 days later I reached out again in a weak moment. He was polite, yet short and then stopped replying. I believe that the next day he sent his sisters friend flowers. I plan to go NC again. Do I need to cut my losses and move on or is there hope of reconciliation?

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    • Chris Seiter - 4

      EBR Team Member: Amor

      Hi June,

      for me you should move on.. There’s a chance that he would try again because you’ve been fwb but it’s just not the right time. And I think it would be a long time for you to totally heal and for him to be ready for a serious relationship again. He just wants to enjoy right now. No commitments.

  6. lost and heartbroken - 0

    lost and heartbroken

    I can’t seem to find my comment anymore if I need to recap again just let me know

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    • Chris Seiter - 4

      EBR Team Member: Amor

      Hi Lost and heartbroken,

      There was only one pending comment in the same email address, if it’s that, I just haven’t reached it yet. Sorry about that! It does look like a rebound because it’s too soon. That’s good that you’re not going to stop seeing your friends, because it’s your right to keep seeing them.

      Anyway, if all you have are fond memories, that’s good! Why? Because when he sees you’ve improved, he’ll be attracted to you and remember the good times, and he’ll miss that more when they’re over the honeymoon period and start to have fights..

  7. naynay - 0

    naynay

    I was with my ex for 5 years we broke up the last year and come to find out he had a girlfriend for that whole year. He seem madly in love with her. and I haven’t tried the no contact rule, I don’t know how to get him back.

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    • Chris Seiter - 4

      EBR Team Member: Amor

      Hi Naynay,

      when did you break up? He had a girlfriend at the same time with you for a whole year? Do you want to try what’s advised above?

  8. So Confused - 0

    So Confused

    I met a guy last year(2015)after I told my friend I needed someone to help me with an economics tutor because I was having a hard time with the module,my friend connected me with her guy friend,who then transferred me to his colleague.He helped me through whatsapp that same night,he was patient with me and cared about my academics.That was in march,I was 7 months single at that time,he was also single and new in town.we started dating in may,I felt so loved and cared for,also because he was involved in my school work.we were so much in love,it was a matured relationship,he talked about the future,he had dreams and he was doing so well for himself,nice job ,nice car,nice apartment.Trouble started when he accused me of cheating,this was because other guys were chatting with me on whatsapp(which I never entertained),I tried explaining to him how this was a very big misunderstanding,he “forgave” mr,then after a month he dissapered,then called me after two weeks to make up,he apologized,then we were fine.Again after a month he disappeared again,I thought that was the end of our relationship,I told him I wana fetch my stuff(for real this time)coz the other times I’d go there and we’d end up having sex without solving the issue.i fetched my staff,we still continued but I was not feeling it,I told him I felt unwanted,as if we’re forcing the relationship.All of a sudden he was a complete new person,drinks too much,got a lot of girls in his life,talks to me like a friend.I last saw him on valentines day this year,where he was all over me,promising me marriage and kids and all of the nice things,that same day he drove me home and i haven’t seen him since,for a while i asked him what was going on,he just went “i dunno what to say”.
    .i left it at that.Went 6 months NC,he actually left me for another girl someone he met at a club,she’s so different from me in every aspect,I’m focused,down to earth,social and fun,she seems to be easy going and just flowing to any direction.My ex boyfriend called in August (after 6 months of NC)it was at 12 midnight,he got cold feet and promised on calling the next day(which he never did).I then went to his Facebook with my sister’s phone since i blocked him in my account,i learned that he left me in Feb then got on with that girl in April,they were on and off in their 2 months relationship,he kept posting negative things about how pretty girls cheat,he was just so negative about relationships.they blocked each other on facebook with the girl.He was alone for about 2 months then reached out to me.while i was waiting on that call he promised i was so hurt to see that he’s back with the girl,i don’t know why he even bothered calling me at night.During that 6 months of not talking,he actually blocked me on whatsapp,now he unblocked me,he’s flaunting her on whatsapp,i act like i don’t see what’s going.He even got her a promise ring two days after they got back together,just last night i changed my number,i want to heal without seeing all that he’s putting on whatsapp as it kills me coz i still love him so much.Oh i forgot to mention that i sent him a very long SMS a few days after his call,i told him in tired of his mind games and that he should leave me alone it was a nice SMS where i got to speak out of how I’m feeling,he didn’t answer,instead he stared flaunting his new girl,and apparently she stays in my hood,though I’ve never seen her,and the guy stays an hour away.please help.I’m really confused right now.

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    • So Confused - 0

      So Confused

      Oh just to add,I’m doing my final year at university ,we are both 24 but he works the other girl is 22 also still at school

    • Chris Seiter - 4

      EBR Team Member: Amor

      Hi So Confused
      so when exactly was that last text from you? And how much have you improved since then?

    • So Confused - 0

      So Confused

      It was exactly a month ago,I still miss him a lot and it almost feels like me changing my number didn’t hurt him,actually everything I’ve done to ignore him doesn’t seem to hurt him,I really would feel so much better to know he’s missing me and that he’s hurt coz he can no longer reach me,and the other thing is that we don’t have mutual friends to actually tell me how his new relationship is going,the promise ring really shook me

    • Chris Seiter - 4

      EBR Team Member: Amor

      then move as if he has moved on. If he has moved on, and he sees or talks to you, would he think you have moved on too? Would he be attracted to you? Or would he just think you still haven’t moved on from him and that you might be a threat to his new relationship?

  9. Help - 0

    Help

    So my boyfriend broke up with me 5 months ago after we had been dating for 3 and 1/2 years. He now has a new girlfriend who he seems to be madly in love with and I don’t know what to do to get him back. I tried no contact which didn’t work and now we see each other quite a lot at our friends parties but I feel like I keep saying the wrong things and making myself appear more unattractive. Please help, I don’t know what to do to get him back again

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    • Chris Seiter - 4

      EBR Team Member: Amor

      Hi Help,

      did you improve during and after no contact? Did you say anything about you wanting him back?

  10. krystal - 0

    krystal

    hi, i was with my bf for 20 months before i initiated a breakup because i couldnt accept him flirting with other girls at his workplace even though many times he had promised me to not be so friendly to other girls. we broke up for almost 2 months plus now and i still miss him and want to be with him again even after he cause me depression and didnt bother about me. he is together with a girl two years older than our age 6 days after we broke up. will i still have a chance to get him back? he is going army soon and i heard that he had plan an overseas trip with the girl next year feb. i really loved him and it breaks my heart when i see how he created a new instagram account of the girl and add all our mutual friends in.the last time we met, he scream at me and use very hurtful words on me. i have done all i could and give in a lotof times to him hoping he would change but he didnt. i feel disappointed and angry whenever i thought of the things he did to me in the past but i really loved him and hope for him to come back to me.is there anything that i can do to help him remember the good times we had together instead of the arguments we had.i really dont wan to waste this relationship… hope to hear some advice.thank you so much.

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    • krystal - 0

      krystal

      he ended up getting together with the girl 2 years older than us from his korean cafe workplace.

    • Chris Seiter - 4

      EBR Team Member: Amor

      Hi Krystal,

      When did you last talk? I’m assuming you didn’t actually start no contact rule and improve yourself in the last two months.. Do you want to try what’s advised above?

  11. Jake - 0

    Jake

    I’m interested to see if this works. Yeah I was bored so I read the comments section. Love sounds like a freaking horrible, disgusting abomination by the way I think this has traumatised me

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  12. Patricia - 0

    Patricia

    Why exactly is it a bad situation if he left you for someone else? Does it always make him untrustworthy if he accidentally fell for someone else (especially if the relationship wasn’t happy at that moment)? What if they were friends or something and it just happened that they fell for each other? I don’t necessarily think that makes him a cheater or untrustworthy but I am willing to consider that. ?

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    • Chris Seiter - 4

      EBR Team Member: Amor

      In that case, that means he saw her as a grass is greener case and had been emotionally cheating, even though he didn’t meant. It’s not as bad as intentional cheating though..

    • Patricia - 0

      Patricia

      In this case, is there a chance of getting him back? I am prettier (objectively) but she may be funnier or something like that. He seems in love. I’m really hoping it’s just a rebound or something!

    • Chris Seiter - 4

      EBR Team Member: Amor

      I dont think it’s a rebound because a rebound is used to get over somebody else. Grass is greener means he sees her better than you.. There is a chance if you continually improve yourself once their honeymoon period is over and then slowly rebuild rapport again

    • Patricia - 0

      Patricia

      I just received this email from him: “i feel if i interact with you now, u will be coming into my life and use anything against me! It’s a bad feeling! I owe u an apology somehow, i feel i’m not ready!” (English second language for him). i’m not responding because my 45 day no contact is supposed to go to like October 22nd?

    • Chris Seiter - 4

      EBR Team Member: Amor

      That’s good. Don’t respond.

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