About a year ago I announced on my podcast that I was considering doing coaching. Of course, that coaching was going to be paid.

I know…

I know…

I’m greedy.

But that all changed a few months ago when I was sitting with my wife in my office and I asked her one simple question,

I want to create content that blows people away. Something that they have never seen before…

That’s when she suggested that instead of asking people for money to coach them that I do it for free.

I’ll admit, it took me a little while to fully wrap my head around the idea because no relationship consultant, dating coach or match maker would ever do what they do for free.

But I guess we do 😉 .

That’s what makes us different.

That’s why people trust us and continually come back to visit this site.

Enter Whitney!

Whitney was someone who I had been helping for about a month so I knew her situation pretty well. I had identified her as a potential coaching client because her situation was interesting enough to feature.

After some bartering back and forth we agreed that she would be the ideal first live coaching client that I would take on. Here’s the video of our session,

Now, the thing that I am expecting you to get out of this is the simple fact that this is free.

Also, I am doing these live coaching sessions to prove a point.

The Point I Want To Prove: That out of all the “get your ex back” people out there I am pretty much the only one who has the guts to get on camera and coach someone.

My belief has always been that the proof is in the pudding and someone shouldn’t be a coach to someone if they don’t know what they are doing.

In other words, I am trying to show you through actions that I know what I am talking about.

But enough of the “power trip” by me.

Let’s take a look at Whitney’s situation.

Whitney’s “In-Depth” Situation

Before we started our one hour live session I asked Whitney to send me anything she could to help me better her chances.

Well, she did just that.

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She did just that in spades.

I remember opening up my email and receiving this uber long PDF document highlighting all of their important dates. Now, normally I would attach this document so you could see it with your own eyes. However, it’s important that we respect Whitney’s privacy.

So instead, I would like to show you the notes I took on her situation.

But before I do that I would like to let you in on what really is confusing Whitney.

Whitney want’s to know how to handle the first interaction with her ex boyfriend after the no contact rule.

That’s really where she stuck and really what we talked a lot about during this live coaching session.

Ok, so here is a quick rundown of her situation,

  • Whitney and her boyfriend were madly in love
  • He actually ended up flying her across the country to meet his parents
  • Things seemed to be going so well until “out of the blue” he broke up with her
  • Whitney guessed that the reasons for the breakup may have been the new roommates he had or a very serious health condition that he contracted

Hmm… you know what. We do a much better job of covering her situation in the actual recording so I will just leave it there.

I’d like to show you the notes I took on her situation

Looking at Whitney’s situation I can tell that there are going to be some major “headwinds” that she is going to face when it comes to getting him back.

The Major Headwind’s She Will Face

Headwind #1: Why Did He Really Break Up With Her?

Things seemed to be going so well and then “all of a sudden” he does a complete 180 and breaks up with her, why?

The Potential Reasons For Break Up:

  • The Health Condition (We have some evidence backing this up)
  • Going Too Fast, Too Soon (Not enough “chase” anymore.)
  • Something Unknown (Worst case scenario)

Headwind #2: Did You Date Long Enough To Form A Lasting Connection

Generally the better/stronger the connection that you have with your ex the easier it is to get them back.

She dated her ex for a little under two months. This probably wasn’t enough time to build a super strong connection.

So, we are going to have to find a way to make him establish more of a connection with her. We are going to try to weave that within her conversations with him.

My Personal Questions For Whitney

  1. What are your overall goals for a relationship with him? (Marriage, just dating and seeing where it goes?)
  2. Is there a major age difference between the two of you?
  3. Why do you want him back? What is your main reasons for wanting him back?

No Contact

Side Note: Most of the words written beyond this point are reminders to me on what to teach her during the live coaching call.

Whitney is actually in the minority of people who have approached the no contact rule in the right way. Make sure to congratulate her.

Make sure you make her list out every positive thing that she did during the no contact rule.

Has she utilized “The Holy Trinity?”

Emphasize the “Dating Yourself” philosophy to see if this is someone who she really wants to put the effort into winning back.


This seems to be where Whitney is stuck. She is afraid to start a conversation with her ex.

Her Goal With Texting Should Be…

The Tide Theory Mentality: Slowly but surely advancing the conversation intensity and frequency

The ultimate goal here is to get back on the speaking terms with her ex. Much like she was at the beginning of the relationship. However, I want her to be utilizing a few principles throughout the period that she attempts this.

Interdependence Theory: Teach her about the interdependence theory to highlight why he wouldn’t commit. Basically the interdependence theory states that human beings commit to each other based on a cost and benefit scenario. We try to maximize the benefits and minimize the costs. Three main factors are looked at,

  1. Satisfaction: Seemed high in his relationship with Whitney
  2. Alternatives: Average! I would say due to the fact that he might have wanted to live it up because of the health condition thing
  3. Investment: Low… 2 months dating?

Whitney can utilize her conversations with him to improve satisfaction, lower his alternatives and improve his investment in you

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The other thing I want her to weave into her conversations is to utilize “The Peak-End Rule”

Peak-End Rule: Human beings usually remember an experience based on the peak of it and the end of it. Since you have such a STRONG peak and such an amicable end I think she would do well by doing subtle things to reinforce her peak or things that make him remember it.

Finally, I need to teach her how to construct a perfect first contact text message utilizing the following factors,

  1. Knowledge
  2. Story
  3. Action Phrase
  4. The Tie In (Optional)

The Results Of Our Coaching Session

Almost immediately after I had stopped recording our live coaching session Whitney wanted to try out the first contact text message that we had constructed on the coaching call.

I literally watched as she sent it to her ex.

Do you think he replied?

Of course he did!

I got this email from Whitney,


With this text message attached to it,


Interview Transcript

  • Alright, we’re officially live now. Ok so, let’s begin! I’m thinking probably the best way to start this off is for you just to give us a quick look at your situation.

    You don’t have to go too much in depth or in detail or anything like that. Maybe just 3-4 minutes. So, everyone listening who’s tuning in can get kind of an idea of what’s going on with your situation. 

  • Ok.

  • And by the way, this is Whitney.

  • Thank you Chris. So, I was in a relationship for about 9 weeks and I am 28 years old. My ex boyfriend is also 28 years old and at this stage in life, I know what I want and he knows what he wants. We’ve dated multiple people and I’ve been in several relationships which have failed but at 28 years old, we moved very quickly.

    I mean I’m very old fashioned and I feel like as a woman, men should be pursuing women and so, I don’t typically instigate the serious talk but my ex boyfriend initiated serious conversations within two days after our first date. Saying that he already felt like I was the one and saying he’s never felt this way and it’s crazy and we moved very quickly.

    Within the first two weeks of us dating, he asked me to fly across the country to meet his family. And he told me I was the first girl to ever meet his family and when I was visiting his family were telling me how crazy it is that my ex boyfriend brought me on the trip because he’s never brought a girl home to meet the family.

    So, as you can tell–

  • They got to make you feel good too doing that.

  • It did! And you know, something I thought was so sweet and I still to this day admire about his mom is the fact that she pulled me aside when I met her and gave me hug and she said,

    “I am so glad that my son has met you. You bring out the best in him and I am so glad it’s you. You fit right in.”

  • That has to make you feel good. That would make me feel good. 

  • Yeah, A mom to say that about her son’s girlfriend. That’s very important and it’s huge but like I said we got very serious quickly and I don’t know if that’s where things kind of got sour? Like the honeymoon phase is over? I mean if I have to explain our relationship, it was 9 weeks bottled up into a year and a half or two years.

    I felt like I’ve known him for a lot longer but you know he made a point to say that he wished that we could skip all the formalities etc. After we went on the 4th of July to visit his family, things changed a little bit. I know that his work load had increased a lot and I was stressing him out. And he owns his own home and he’s lived by himself so, he’s been very independent and alone for a long time and he had a few guys move in with him and they’re younger guys that go out a little bit more than he does.

    So, I feel like things changed once they moved in and additionally, there is a health condition that him and his sister both did some genetic testing. There’s a health condition that runs in his family and so they just were trying to be precautionary and rule everything out but he actually tested positive for carrying a gene for this specific condition. 

    So, I know for sure his mom was very stressed out about that. My exboyfriend however, he didn’t seem very stressed. He was just more reserved. He was just anticipating, you know waiting two months to see a cardiologist and any specialist associated with this. I did the no contact. 

  • You did it well, by the way. 

  • Thank you! It was awesome. I highly recommend anyone going through a break up to do no contact. It works without a doubt. There were definitely days where I felt weak and I doubted the fact that I would hear from him and I know that traditionally it’s 30 days  no contact, as for me, I did 45. 

    Because we end up going I think, around 40 days no contact but before you know it, I heard from him. And I think part of what–

  • I think it’s important for you to tell what he said when you heard from him. 

  • Yes so–

  • Obviously ,we don’t have to get to too many details but this is an important aspect here. 

  • It is and I’ll definitely tell you about that but I would like to share with any women listening because this has impacted me personally a lot with my confidence but just with my social life and my attitude regarding the break up.

    Doing the no contact, don’t just do no contact. You also do no contact but do yourself. You want to treat yourself. So, do something that makes you feel pretty. Go get lash extensions, go get your hair color, go get your nails done but don’t just do that.

    Do something that helps others. So, I got involved with Big Brothers, Big Sisters and I submitted an application to become a big sister. So, I can have a little and take them out to do fun activities but in addition to that, I was recently recognized for one of my cities most wanted which every year, there are about 30 professionals that are nominated for being recognized in regards to what they’re doing in the community or how they are doing good things within they’re career in their industry. 

    So, I’ve been kind of getting exposed professionally.

  • Phenomenal actually. Yeah, it’s perfect. That’s exactly what you want to do. 

  • Yes. So, I’ve been able to go to all of this events related to being recognized as one of my cities most wanted and it’s been very rewarding because I am not only making a difference in my community and helping to raise money for children but at the end of the day, it’s just–when I can make someone else’s day, my day is made.

    And so if you kind of have that mentality, you’re going to get through it and you’re going to feel better and you’re going to come across as a better person, happier person and more confident. So, with that said, I did end up hearing from my ex boyfriend after 40 or so days. And it wasn’t via text, it wasn’t a phone call, it wasn’t Facebook message.

    It was Snapchat. And what I ended up being was, a Snapchat directly to me and there was an image, he sent of his lab results but after he saw a specialist for this genetic mutation, I think all along he probably was fearful of his life, looking back, because it is a serious condition if he did actually have the physical mutation within his body but he sent a Snapchat of his results from the specialist and they ruled out that he has, there’s no evidence of the mutation and he just carries the gene.

    So he sent me that, circled the results and he sent a text on the photo and said, “Good news on my labs!” And so for me, I didn’t see this for a few hours and if I have seen it, I soon he saw it–ladies, I recommend wait two hours.

    Let him kind of wonder. That’s what I always do initially but I ended up responding and I–something I kind of live by is, “Kill them with kindness”, and I responded to that Snaphat. We have Snaptext and I said,

    “That’s great news! I hope everything else is going well for you :)”

    So, he responded right away and said,

    “Hope all is well of you too.” 

  • And that’s where we are right now.

  • Yup. 

  • We are up to date. That is where Whitney is right now. 

  • Yeah.

  • Ok. So, there’s a number of things that I wanted to cover with you. So, obviously I wanted to give you kudos on the no contact rule. You have no idea how many people come to the website and fail every single day.

    It’s probably like an 80-85% fail rate on the no contact rule but the factt that you actually went out and actually did things that were positive for you and your life that is really kudos to you. But I know when we talked before we obviously start recording this, you were confused about what to do going forward.

    You didn’t know if you were going to contact him but you even had kind of an issue on whether or not you wanted to get him back which is kind of where I wanted to start. I wanted to start by asking you what you really want. So, I know that is like that most general question anyone can ask you but what is it that you want.

    Like if you look deep down inside like, if you could honestly, just be brutally honest. If you want him back, that is fine but if you do want to get over him, we can obviously kind of segway towards that but I won’t obviously go into–now that I have kind of a more in depth discussion of your situation,  I can give you some more insights into why he’s acting the way he’s acting and everything. But let’s just start by kind of defining a clear goal. So, what is it that you want? 

  • Great question. What I want is someone who’s mature. Someone who communicates well. Someone I am attracted to. Yes, that does sound shallow and what not but–

  • No. It’s absolutely not and I think–

  • You initiate a relationship–

  • I think looks–no matter what you do, they come into the picture. It’s a fact and I think anyone who doesn’t really agree with that maybe needs to wake up a little bit because that’s the society we live in nowadays. 

  • I agree but looks aren’t everything.

  • They definitely aren’t.

  • Even if he’s the hottest guy on earth but once he says  a few words you’re like,”Oh..” It ruins it. 

  • Exactly. There’s more to it than looks for sure. 

  • Yeah, but for me personally, I am passionate about my career, family and friends and I like to try to keep things upbeat and positive. So, I look forward something similar in a man but communication and attraction, those are two very important aspects and faith. Not everyone is religious bu, and it’s not that I go to Church every Sunday but I’m a believer in God and I am looking for someone I can spend my life with and have fun with. 

  • Ok, so you’re looking for more of the marriage type of a situation. So, you are looking for someone who you can potentially marry?

  • Exactly.

  • Alright. So, I think what we’re going to do here is try to identify if this is the ex for that because he may be. I’ve interviewed a guy last week. His name was Neil Sattin and his now fiance, they had a break up and it was actually that break up that caused them to eventually get together. So, it can work.

    So, there’s definitely hope there but I think the important thing– So, that’s what you’re really looking for. So, I think maybe a good idea is to look and see if this is the guy for that. 

  • I can answer that for you.

  • Ok. Go for it. 

  • I will tell you this. So, I have always asked my mom and my sister, “How do you know when it’s the one?” and your wife has probably asked her friends and family the same.

  • She was talking about this very thing yesterday. I’m not even kidding. 

  • I would like to see what she says. 

  • We did an interview yesterday on some podcast called Together. Where we were talking about our relationship and she said the exact same thing like, “I just knew he was the one.” So, I’m assuming that’s where you going with it. 

  • Yes! My mom and sister, they have both said, “You just know” and I’m like, “Well, how do I know?” That’s like the worst answer you can give me mom!

    But they are absolutely correct because the moment I met my ex, after our first date, the rest was history.

    Like literally felt like I will not be dating anyone else ever again and we were both just infatuated with one another and the faith was there, the family was there, the career was there. 

  • So, on paper he was the right guy. 

  • Yes, there is one downfall too actually. 

  • No one’s perfect. 

  • Yeah. They say not to look for a 100%. Look for 80%. The other 20% you can work with but with him, he is very attractive and I’m very loyal so, if we go anywhere public, of course girls are going to check him out.

    And of course guys will check me out like I’m confident in who I am and what not but I also respect loyalty in any relationship and if a guy checks me out, I don’t really eat it up. I don’t–

  • I see. You don’t kind off take it. Maybe try to make him a little jealous. 

  • I don’t. I’m not like that. 

  • Was he like that?

  • Not intentionally. 

  • Oh ok. 

  • Girls are so much different than guys. Girls will throw themselves at a hot guy. 

  • Sometimes. Sometimes they’re a little subtle I would say. 

  • Yeah. Oh yeah but I noticed that a few, you know a few different times we had gone out with friends and that bothered me. I can get over it but that was one thing that did bother me.

    Something more important though, the second thing is with his job, he works for a company where he might be assigned to a job in another state. Like he was assigned a job in Pennsylvania and he was actually there for 2 years. It went a lot longer than expected. Typically this projects should be 6-8 months. 

  • Ok, so this is something definitely important to look at. Especially if you’re looking to marry the guy. 

  • Yes. 

  • So, I guess I’m going to start. I have a lot of experience with long distance relationships because my wife were in one for 6 months ok?

    And the only reason that our relationship really worked out is I had this job and I can really do it from anywhere. You know, remotely. It’s an internet type thing.

    I had the ability to move from Texas to Pennsylvania. Interesting that he had the job there. And now we’re in Florida so, we’ve been all over the place but do you have the kind of job that can do that? Is that like a realistic option for you? 

  • I don’t. Unless I start podcasting with you and I’m getting–

  • Hahaha! Ok hold on!

  • With what you do, because you are like a relationship whisperer. 

  • Oh thank you! Thank you! Just stop, stop, stop, stop..

  • Hahaha no, seriously. I don’t. I’ve got a great career here where I live. 

  • So, you’re pretty happy with your career right?

  • I’m pretty happy and what’s crazy is I live 3 hours from all of my family and he lives states away from his but in our relationship when we were together, he did mention, well there’s ways around him not travelling. Number 1, dependent upon his genetic testing, the results, that could restrict him from travelling. 

  • I see. 

  • That’s factored out. 

  • Yeah, he no longer has that. 

  • But I think it’s the younger engineers for example, at his company that they really go out on this job sites. So, it’s like the first 6, 8-10 years. He’s been there probably 6 years already but he’s mentioned that we can either make it work or we’ll figure out. Like I’ll do whatever I can to make it work. 

  • Yeah. Definitely a fly in the ointment. I’m not saying it’s a killer because he’s not. He’s still pretty close to where you are, I’m assuming. 

  • Umhmm, right now. 

  • So, he’s not yet but–

  • Yeah and we don’t know of any job. Like I mean he might not have a job that he knows of until next week. They can be like, “Ok, you’re going to go back to Pennsylvania for this new bid we won.” So, I feel uneasy. 

  • Yeah, yeah. I think it’s something you definitely have to consider. It is something that you really can not consider because it could happen and even if you put all this work into trying to get him back, it could change the dynamic completely because then you’d be sort of in a long distance relationship.

    I’m not saying that they can’t work but they can’t work long term. You can’t stay in a long distance relationship forever you know? So, I think it is something to consider.

    I certainly have my opinion. My opinion on what you should do is probably give it shot and see where it goes and you know hope for the best but expect the worst at the same time and I think you have a really good head on your shoulders because you even mentioned to me before we start recording that you would be kind of ok even if it didn’t work out. Like you’re not going to lose any sleep over it. 

    Which is a perfect mindset to have because we’ve actually found in our own research that having this mindset, kind of moving on actually really works to get him back. And you even told me that with some of your own exes, this is what happened in the past. Like you’ve kind of moved on and all of a sudden they came back into the picture.

  • Oh yeah. You’re absolutely right. Like I said, you are a relationship whisperer and the advice that you gave I followed and it turns out that I’m very happy. Of course I miss him a little but I don’t sit around and think, “Oh poor me. I miss his smile. I miss laying next to him.”

    It’s not anything like that. You can’t think about those things when you are in the stages of breaking up. Like when you’re broken up, you have to think the worst like, think about the shitty parts. Excuse my language. You have to think about the negative aspects of the relationship and why you shouldn’t be with him.

    And honestly, as any female or even any guy that might be listening, download a dating app. It’s not–I wouldn’t say for the wrong reasons but it gives you the confidence to at least put yourself out there. It’s the confidence that you need. I get it and I’ve been having fun. I’ve gone on some really unique dates. 

  • Yeah and I’m actually glad you brought that up because that is something that a lot of women shy away from. Especially if they’re doing the no contact rule. They’re afraid to go on a date and sometimes it’s the best thing for them because they come to this realization that, “Maybe I wasn’t so into my ex.” or they can come to the realization that, “Oh, I’m really into my ex. I’m not ready to date.” But you really don’t know until you actually do it. 

  • Yeah and not only that, it gives you the confidence and I’ve seen a lot of women who are fearful of getting on a dating app or being positive after the break up because they’re like, “Well, I don’t want this to push him away or scare him because maybe he’s just going to get mad and then he’s not going to contact.” No. It’s reverse psychology. Men want what they can’t have and if they see that another man is taking you out, they’re going to be more attracted to you, drawn to you.

  • Yeah, yeah and I guess I’m circling around here to my original question way back. So, what is it. Do you want him back or do you just want to maybe move on from him? Do you want to give it a shot?

  • I’ll give it a shot.

  • Ok, alright. I think knowing that, we kind of have an idea where we want to go and what we can do. So, the first thing I want talk to you about is, you sent me this very, very detailed explanation of every like important date and you even sent like text messages. So, it’s really interesting to see how into each other you guys were at the beginning of the relationship.

    And I mean, you guys were into each other. You guys were moving quickly. And I even did like the Math. It was like a couple of weeks and you’re already like on the plane with him to meet his family and then there was this weird turning point. I don’t know, it maybe seemed like it was about a month a half, 2 months in where this was this turning point where you said you noticed something was off and then a couple days later bam!

    He drops the hammer like, “Ok, we’re done.” So, I think when I look at the kind of situation like that, there’s a couple of things that spring to mind. And I think the number 1 question we really need to ask is,  why did he break up with you?. And I have really 3 ideas of what could have contributed to it. 

    So, the first one which we do have some evidence backing this up is the health condition. So, I was talking to my wife about this, your situation, she was curious. And so, I was telling her about this health condition that he has and how I thought it was like, “Well, maybe he got really scared.” Because even though we trying to protect our health condition, this is kind of the health condition that could end your life early right? This is like no joke. 

  • Yeah, and also another thing, men who work out, I think that fuels them. That makes them happy and this was a condition that if he truly had it–

  • You couldn’t work out anymore.

  • Yeah, you couldn’t work out. And that’s when–

  • You lose a bit of your identity.

  • Now, that I think of it. He stopped working out because he hadn’t seen a specialist and so he stopped working out and I remember him specifically saying he felt down lately. And this around the time when you noticed our conversations kind of change. 

  • Ok. Yeah. So, if I were a betting man, I’d put most of my stock in that. You know the health condition and I think there’s evidence backing this up because when he messaged you finally, he was super excited to let you know above all else that, “Hey, this isn’t an issue.” While I was talking to my wife about this, she brought up an interesting point. So, I’m going to steal it from her. She thinks it served as a catalyst.

    So, I remember mentioning to you that, hey, you know I think he’s probably like thinks “Ok, maybe I have x amount of years left in my life. I just kind of don’t want to get tied down. I want to live it up.” And I think this health condition, serves as a catalyst for having those kind of thoughts.

    And you also said something interesting to me before we were on an interview about how you were on a date and the guy that you’re on a date with mentioned that he saw your ex at a bar. 

    Lit up drunk. So, almost like he’s partying and living it up you know? And he even sent you a picture like to prove it. He wasn’t just like making the whole thing up. 

  • What’s crazy Chris, is that when I looked at the picture, I’m like, “That’s not my ex.” and then I was like, send me another photo. And no joke, I look at it and I zoom in  and I’m like, “Oh my gosh. That’s him but he had gained weight.” Because I’m assuming, he hadn’t been working out. 

  • Yeah, it’s interesting. So, I think that served as a catalyst for maybe the break up but the other thing that I maybe jumped to is you guys did go really fast. So, you may have burned out a little bit. There was maybe not enough mystery or he felt like, ok, he got you without really having to try too hard and maybe it was really appealing at first and then maybe it kind of died of a little bit or the allure died off. I’m thinking this is probably not the reason, I’m thinking it’s probably more due to the health thing.

    And then the third one I kind of jump too is something that we don’t know. Something we don’t have enough information to maybe, you know he’s kept it a secret in his mind. But I think this is, if I were to guess, it would probably the health thing.  And that is actually amazing news for you and your chances because guess what. It’s not an issue anymore right? So, going forward, it’s not really something that should hinder him too much.

    The other thing, the other maybe headwind that you face when it comes to trying to get him back is, you only dated for two months. And I know you mentioned that yes, it felt like years and from looking at your text messages and your conversations and all the dates, it was an intense connection.

    So, there’s no doubt about that but at the same time generally, the longer you’re with someone, you have a longer time to establish a lasting connection with them. You maybe didn’t have enough time to establish a lasting connection that you can really kind of sink into when you are trying to get him back. 

    There’s a way around this. Maybe we need to work kind of building a lasting connection into when you’re trying to get him back but I was actually kind of curious to get your thoughts on this. Do you think 2 months was enough to really build up a lasting connection? 

  • Honestly, I do. Because not only was I supportive of his condition. Some girls can be like, “Screw you!” Like I am looking for a husband to spend a lifetime with another 60 years but I was supportive and I helped him to find an in network specialist just because I work within that industry. I went out of my way to find the best doctor for him to go to. 

  • You’re very, very supportive. 

  • Yeah, I was very supportive and understanding and I’m like you know, we’re going to get through this but the fact that he flew me across the country to meet his family. 

  • Big deal. No doubt. Big deal. 

  • I feel like we built that type of I guess trust. 

  • Well, I think to your point. He did reach out to you to let you know about the health thing right? And that is kind of a big deal. That’s something that I wouldn’t share with someone if that was happening to me.

    It’s a big deal. It’s not like he’s going around like advertising this. So, this is something that he did share with you. So, that’s a positive thing and I think where you are right now is you’re stuck. You don’t really know what to do going forward. 

    So, obviously, if you are familiar with kind of the strategies and everything that I teach on exboyfriend recovery,  you know I have a very specific way about doing things. You know you did the no contact rule first and then the idea is to slowly rebuild the attraction until you can kind of get a date. So, I don’t really see anything that’s preventing you from doing that here. 

  • Pride.

  • Let’s tear down your pride a little bit here then. So, really the next conceivable step is text messaging right? You’re going to text him and that can be through Snapchat. That can be through a lot of different methods.

    But what are your qualms against texting him, are you just that kind of thing where I noticed you’ve mentioned at the beginning, you’re the woman. He needs to kind of come after you and chase you. That’s the way it supposed to work. 

  • Yeah that and he’s the one that–yeah we moved fast and maybe it scared him away. Maybe that affected his attraction because there wasn’t as much of the chase. But he’s the one who instigated all of the seriousness so, he kind of did that to himself but I’m scared of rejection. I’m scared of being turned down. I’m scared of being weak, vulnerable or coming across as needy or insecure because I’m not insecure. 

  • Believe me, you are the least insecure person I’ve probably met on exboyfriend recovery so, there’s no doubt about that to me. And I guess I did skip over something that I didn’t want to touch on with you. Because this is an important thing because let’s assume that everything goes perfectly and you get him back right?

    There is still one little fly in the ointment that you didn’t mention. So, you mentioned to me, I think when I was asking before this, “Hey, what kind of questions you want me to answer for you.” You mentioned that you think he may have slept with other girls during this break up. 

  • Thank you for bringing that up.

  • Which I would say would put credence behind that health theory because if it’s serving as a catalyst who so, live it up you know? He would obviously want to do that. So, let me get your thoughts on that. What do you think about that? And then I’ll kind of talk you through it. 

  • So, I–I’m not saying all men but I know how most men–There’s actually a photo I saw on Pinterest out of anywhere but it’s–I should send it to you. 

  • I know exactly that the men and women break up thing and how women are super depressed but men are like super happy and then it kind of changes. 

  • Yes, so for all you ladies listening, it’s kind of crazy and it just hit me like a ton of bricks when I saw this photo but as women, we are very emotional when we are broken up with or when we go through a break up. After that, grieving stage, we want to veg out, eat ice cream, rebuild our self steam and kind of force ourselves to go out and then eventually we’re happy. Men, it seems like they’re celebrating the break up. They’re going out and partying, sleeping with other girls, and then they’re grieving. So, it’s a complete opposite. So, it does take time. That’s why I think you always reinforce the no contact rule because it’s going to take them at least to him, 45  days–30 days, 45 days to realize, “Oh man, this is what I lost because I just hooked up with this one girl and it’s not my ex.” I don’t like the idea of him messing around with other girls since we’ve been-

  • You shouldn’t like that idea. That’s a normal reaction to have. 

  • Yeah, so I don’t really know how to handle that because the photos I saw from a guy I went on a date with who sold my ex out, he was hitting on a girl. You could tell. He was very close in her face but you could also tell he was hammered. Like, I am not comfortable with the idea of him having maybe slept around. I don’t know what he did. 

  • So, I think we’re going back to the thing, the loyalty aspect. Even though you’re broken up, you’re still loyal to him in some certain way. 

  • I know. Trust me, I’ve got on handlful of dates but I’m also very. I am very old fashioned and I don’t sleep around. I value who I am and what I have to offer and I don’t 31:18

  • Umhmm and now do you have any evidence besides the picture that he’s been going out doing this?

  • No other than what I’m seeing on Facebook. Someone checked him in at a bar, like a girl and she was with another guy and then my ex.

  • I think it probably just safe to assume that he’s trying to engage in that behavior? I’m not going to lie. That would just be a disservice to you. I will say that I don’t know his past sexual history. I don’t know anything about his game on getting girls or so to speak but it is usually not as easy as you’d think. Even for a good looking guy.

    So, even though he may be trying, he may not succeeded because I know there is someone that women can’t give it up easier than others but generally it is still a big deal to those women. So it’s not easy to get as you’d think. So, you always have maybe that to hang your hat on.

    As far as getting over it, that is something that you don’t have any evidence clearly of. Yes, he was at the bar drunk, hitting on a girl. It could be just him being drunk. I think dumb. I would say it would become an issue if you were to get him back.

    The jealousy and everything that you feel inside. It would eat you alive. Unless at some point, you would talk to him about it and you were honest with him about it and could forgive him if he did it.

    He may–or it can get tricky because let’s assume you get him back and you have this conversation where you’re uncomfortable about this issue and you don’t know how to bring it up but you decide, “Ok, I’m going to try to bring it up to him.” And he lies, and he doesn’t want to hurt your feelings or somethingSo, you need to also understand that that could be a possibility.

  • That’s when it turns into a bigger issue for me because I would rather hear the ugly truth than a pretty lie. And so when I found that–and what’s crazy–I feel like I have a sixth sense honestly, like I know when something is up. 

  • You were able to pick from that pretty with the–kind of when you saw or the health thing. 

  • I feel like, I don’t know. I can read men very well and when I ask a guy a question that I’m dating or when a boyfriend if we get back together. “So, did you hook up with anyone?” I can tell`–like I can tell they’re lying and that’s when I feel like the relationship is spiraling out again but if they just tell the truth from the start, I respect them more. 

  • It’s one of those things that I think if you do get him back, it is something that you’re probably going to have to talk about and work with him on. Just I guess come to the realization that he may lie about it because and I don’t think it will be a lie to hurt you. It would be a lie to protect you maybe from the truth but also maybe to protect himself and he doesn’t seem like a man slut you know? 

  • I call them manwhore but–

  • Manwhore or whatever something hahahaha!

  • Where I’m at now- I do have a question for you. So, based on what you know, do you foresee him contacting me again?

  • Yeah, I actually think there’s a really high chance that he will even if you don’t do anything  but I’m actually going to recommend that you do something here. I think it is an important step and it’s something that I recommend to everyone. I mean we live in 2016 now.

    No one is going to sit back and say, “Well, you know. They have to text me first.” What matters is getting the ball rolling here and doing it in a smart way. That’s part of things but I am going to try to compose a text with you that you can send him so, you get something out of this but let’s kind of get some of the basis of what we’re trying to accomplish when you do text him because this is really where most women fail.

    So, when I look at your situation the first thing that really came to mind is something  called The peak-end rule. Have you heard of this? 

  • No. 

  • Ok. This is a beautiful thing and it’s something that you really need to get familiar with. So, the peak-end rule, basically I think the person who created it won a Nobel Prize because of it because they did  a lot of research and found that it had a lot of different applications in different areas. So, food, movies, relationships but the peak-end rule basically states that –I guess, I’ll start off by asking you a question. So, when you remember an experience, do you think you remember it based on the sum, the whole of the experience? 

  • No. 

  • Correct. You don’t remember the whole of the experience. They found that you remember it based on two points. The peak and then end. And so the peak is the most intense, exciting, best part and the ned is obviously the end of the relationship. The first that came to mind is you actually had a phenomenal relationship and you’re peak was phenomenal and you’re end wasn’t really that bad compared to some of the things I’ve seen. So, I thin you would actually do really well when you text him. Obviously not right off the bat. You have to kind of build rapport and work it in but emphasize the peak of your relationship. The more you can kind of bring him down and make him feel the feelings that he was feeling during the peak of the relationship, he’s going to find you more attractive and kind of keep wanting to message you and talk to you in advance things. And he’s going to want to feel it again and I think you can really hook into that and make him super attracted to you. So, what do you think of that peak-end rule? 

  • I love it! I like it a lot. 

  • Alright. So, the other thing I want to talk to you is talk you a little bit about how human beings commit to one another because this is something that I think he may have some issues with especially with the health condition thing.

     So, have you ever–I don’t know you may have read around my website recently. I’ve been kind of snow balling this a lot but have you heard of something called the interdependence theory? 

  • I think I have but I might need a refresher course. 

  • Ok, here with the refresher. The interdependence theory is pretty simple. It basically states that human beings commit to one another on a cost and benefit scenario. Ringing any bells? 

  • Yes. 

  • Ok, this is something that–

  • Withdrawal.

  • It’s interesting because I think your ex, when he looks at the relationship with you, based on the interdependence theory there’s really three things that you look at. So, you’re looking at the satisfaction, alternatives and investment. So, what I’m going to do right now is look at these three things from his perspective and kind of give you some insight into why he didn’t ultimately want to commit to you. 

    So, the first thing is satisfaction. Honestly it seemed really high to  me which is what you want. You want him to feel super satisfied with the relationship. That’s great. Where really things get interesting is the alternatives.

    So, I think at the beginning of your relationship before this big thing happened with the health condition, his alternatives were low. Obviously that’s what you want. You don’t want him to have ton of alternatives because if his alternatives are high then all of sudden he’s thinking well maybe I can do better than her. 

    Now, here’s where the fly in the ointment comes into play. The health thing served as the catalyst. So, it caused him to think maybe there are other alternatives out there that I want to experience. Luckily, the health thing isn’t so much of an issue anymore but he is already kind of committed to this one action of “Hey, I’m kind of going to date around. I’m going to experience life before I die” Even though it’s not necessarily going to happen. 

    And then the other thing which is really where you struggle with the most was investment. So, really when it comes to relationships, investments is things like time, things like marriage, engagements, things like that. You didn’t really date a long time.

    So, what we have here is we have–even though you have, you did a really good job of satisfying him in the relationship and honestly satisfaction and alternatives, there’s a synergy between the two because obviously if he’s not satisfied with the relationship, he’s going to think, “Ok, maybe I can do better than her.”

    So, his alternatives all of a sudden go up and honestly he was really satisfied with your relationship. I think, from my opinion, it’s just that this health thing happened, I think his alternatives went up as a result of that. And the only problem is your investment was low. You hadn’t dated him long enough probably to form a lasting connection. Even though I know you think you did. When you look at it just from a bird’s eye view, you only dated for two month, you need to get him to invest more time. 

    So, I think working of this into the strategy when you’re texting him, the more you can get him to commit to texting you back and forth, the more time he’s investing into you. So basically what you’re trying to do is get him to invest as much time as possible into you because the more he puts his time in, the more he invests into your relationship, the better it is going to be for you. So, you really don’t need any pointers on satisfying.

    You did a pretty freaking phenomenal job on that. The alternatives I think will take care of themselves as long as you work that peak-end rule aspect where you’re emphasizing the peak and trying to bring the feelings back that he felt during the peak of the relationship. And I think his alternatives will go down or here’s the best part– so, you may be the best girl that he’s ever dated and I’m not saying that lightly.

    I’m saying that as a matter of fact because he only dated you for two months and nothing you did was wrong. Like it seems to you are the perfect girlfriend. Unless I’m missing that you’re some sort of expert or something which I don’t think is the case. 

  • I can tell you the things that he complained about towards the end. 

  • Ok, yeah. That would be great. 

  • I don’t ever want to be the woman that is in a relationship and as soon as your significant other gets home from work, he gets stressed out and dread seeing her. I want to be his stress reliever. I want to make him smile. I want to make–

  • And that was a problem for him? This guy’s nuts. 

  • I’m very cheerful and goofy and so, say I get to his house and we’re watching tv in bed and he’s just not chatty. Well, me being me, I’m goofy. I try to like be goofy, just more conversation, make him smile, make him– I couldn’t get a reaction out of him. So, I did what’s not me as–I get pushy like I kept trying to be goofy. That ended up annoying him. 

    I learned from that because he did tell me. He communicated that he found it annoying. What he said was little things that initially attracted me to you, now, annoy me. It’s not you it’s just I don’t know what it is. 

  • If you look at it from the lens of the health thing, everything’s probably annoying him because if you thought like you had this issue–I’ll give you an example. I woke up this morning with a stomach issue and everything was making me irritable. Luckily, it subsided now but everything makes me irritable. Now, I can’t imagine if I knew I had some sort of health thing. Everything is going to make me irritable. So, he probably–he’s not that he all of sudden grew tired of it. I think it’s just impacted by this gigantic thing that’s happening in the background. That’s my two cents. 

  • Do you think that it would affect a man’s sex drive?

  • Yeah, absolutely.

  • Cool. 

  • I’m assuming from that question it did? 

  • Umhmm. 

  • Ok. Yeah, absolutely. I think that would affect and I think also it ties into the work out thing as well. Maybe he doesn’t think he looks as good as he did? 

  • He made comments like, “I am getting pudgy.”

  • A comment like that–I have actually made comments like that when I haven’t been able to work out. So, I can definitely–I’m in alignment with him on that because I’ve made comments to my wife like,

    “Oh man. I think I’m getting–like I need to go out and like go for like a 4-5 mile run to get the fat off.”

    And even though I’m not fat or anything it’s just–maybe an insecurity type thing that I have. So, it’s probably something that he’s really insecure about and I think that’s a lot of why men work out.

    At least, I remember when I first started working out, it was girls. I wanted like girls to find me attractive. So, there’s a 100% no doubt that if he can’t work out anymore, it’s like the snowball of all these bad things just started happening to him and he kind of took it out on you.

    It’s not right and it’s not fair but life is not fair all the time. It’s kind of our job to navigate and try to ride the ship, so to speak. Alright, so anymore questions related to that kind of stuff? Because I love questions like that.

  • I totally agree though. I think that it is a snowball effect and I feel like he took it all out on me. That’s what I kind of thought from the start. However, the health condition, you and I discussed before and you thought that was probably the primary reason for the break up.

    I kind of disagree with you which now I know never to disagree with you. 

  • No, you can disagree. That’s how you spark good conversation. 

  • You proved me wrong and you proved your theory right based on his snapchat. So, I guess obviously I should contact him next because it’s been– I don’t know how long it’s been. 

  • Well, it’s important to do it the right way. So, that’s where most women fail and I’ll give you a really funny story. And the funny story is, I recently recorded a podcast episode where I took a question from a woman who had a horrible message that she sent her ex after the no contact rule for the first time.

    So, her contact, she would say something like, “Hey, I just drove past you in Glenroy.” So, he obviously responded like, “Who is this?” So, based on that information you’d think, ok maybe I’m not in his phone anymore. I mean that’s what I would think but she took it a step further.

    She said, “Oh its–” I don’t remember what she said exactly. I just remember she said, “Oh it reminded me of that time that I was in my bathrobe after I got out of the shower.” And so, after that he goes, “Who the F is this??”

    And so, obviously, it went really bad. So, as long as you don’t do that, I think you’d be in an ok shape. I’m going to walk you through what you need to do.

  • I don’t think I would do that ever. 

  • Yeah. Please, don’t do that.  I’ve heard pretty  crazy text messages. There was woman who compared her ex to bear poop one time which that didn’t work out too well for her but it’s something that you do need to do the right way.

    But before I get to that, I do want to talk to you about one more thing that I want you to implement during your text message conversations with him. It’s the idea of mirroring. Have you heard of this?

  • I think but it might be applied differently so–

  • Yeah, it applies a little bit differently. So, imagine that you are infront of a mirror and you’re looking at yourself. You’re kind of winking at yourself because you’re good looking. Yeah, so the mirror is just doing the same exact impact to you right?

    Well, let’s apply that to text messaging. Let’s say he sent you something that doesn’t have a lot of thought behind it. He sends you like a text message like, “Hey.” Like a one word text message. We all hate those right one word text messages? So, what most women do is they try to spark up a conversation. They try to get rid of the one word text. 

    So, what you’re supposed to do is you’re supposed to give him right back what he gave you. It’s mirroring him. 

  • Yup!

  • That’s exactly what you should do. So make sure you implement the mirroring thing. If he isn’t giving you like a lot of thought or meaning behind his text messages, don’t let him get away with it. There are consequences to not doing that. 

    And one of the really big benefits of you messaging him first, is you can kind of control the scope. So, you can kind of set the pace and the tone that you want him to maybe respond to.

    So, make sure you try to implement that in whenever you can and I think I don’t need to really give you too much of a tips on this because it seems like something you’re already doing naturally. 

  • Yeah, I agree. I think that the mirroring is a great idea and that’s exactly how I would respond but I don’t think that I’m going to-I just feel like I’m not going to hear from him again or a while. I would love to craft the perfect text. 

  • Yeah, let’s get in to doing that. So I have kind of a formula here for you to follow and we’ll go through it together. So, the first thing in the formula is you need a theme for the text.

    And the theme of the text needs to be something–it’s a hooking point and you’re going to utilize the knowledge that you have of him. Something that he’s fascinated by, something that you know he’ll really, really respond to. An example on top of my head was–I can give you an example for my wife and ex. So, my wife is obsessed with hot air balloons.

    So anything about hot air balloons, bam! She’ll respond. My ex was obsessed with strangely sky diving. So anything about sky diving which I’m not into at all which may be why we broke up but–

  • Yeah, I would go with the hot air balloons!

  • Yeah the hot air balloons! So, wait essentially what you need to do here is try to find a theme of your text. So, you’re going to utilize the knowledge that you already know about him. And you should know enough. You’ve been dating him for two months. What is something that he’s really interested in? Something that you know is a hooking point for him. Ah lightbulb!

  • Golf. 

  • Golf. ok. So, we have our theme. Your text message is going to revolve around golf but golf on it’s own is pretty boring. I mean you can’t just like–

  • He watches it on tv. It’s that intense. 

  • Well, I mean like sending him a text message about golf maybe a little bit boring. So, we need to-

  • 50:14 golf clubs for the first time recently.

  • Ok, that might be something.

  • Golf clubs.

  • Perfect segway. Alright. The next thing we’re going to do is to try to create a story. People respond well to stories but you can’t let this go over board because it’s a freaking text message right?

    You don’t want to seem too needy or like you’re trying too hard. So, the trick is to try to create a story that you can really fit in probably like 80-100 characters. So, off the top of my head, maybe something about your golf clubs will be good like, 

    “I just tried hitting with my golf clubs for the first time and it was like the most embarrassing experience ever. ” 

    Some story where he can like visualize it himself because he’ll respond more to that. So, do you have any thoughts on how you want to do this or you’re just going to steal my idea? 

  • I like that. So, when we went to spend the 4th of July and I met his family for the first time, the very first day of our activities and like getting to know his family, what do we do? We woke up really early to go golfing. 

  • Wow! Ok! 

  • And I have golfed like in actual course. One other time, I’ve gone at the driving range but with business I’ve been trying to step up my game but his sister actually took a slowmo video of me hitting or attempting to hit the golf ball and I totally whipped it. That was like kind of an ongoing joke but it could be something along the lines of, 

    “Good news, I got a sweet set of golf clubs. Bad news, I’m still whipping the ball.”

  • Ok, good! That lead me to my next point. So, the next point you need to tie in an action phrase. Ok? So, the best way I can describe this is imagine that you’re just at a get together. Let’s say a get together at house and you see some of your best friends communicating with strangers or something and they’re in a deep conversation. And they’re all kind of huddled in the corner and you walk up to him and you try to talk to him but they’re all in their own conversation. So, it’s like no one is paying attention to you. 

    What you need to do is snap them into attention. So, imagine that you are just going to walk up to this people and snap as loud as you possibly can. What would they do? They would probably stop the conversation and look at you. But you’ve got their attention and that’s what we need to do with this text. So, before you tell your story with the good golf theme. You need to come up with an action phrase. Something that–because we’re busy now in today’s lives. It takes a lot to get us to respond to a text message so, what we’re going to have to do is send him something that will make him stop what he’s doing and snap his attention into place. 

    So, a phrase like this can be, “Oh my god!” or, “You’re not going to believe what just happened..” Something along those lines that will interest him or pique his interest to make him go, “Well, what? What’s going on?” So, usually what you’re gong to do and off the top of my head. I don’t know exactly what golf text you’re going to use but let’s assume you’re going  to use the golf swinging missing kind of thing. So, it would go–your text would go something like. 

    “You aren’t going to believe what just happened to me.” 

    And then he’ll respond, 

    “What just happened?”

    Alright, you’ve got him hooked, you’ve got him piqued. Now it’s time to bring him home with this story. So, the story and the them is an important concept because if you really kind of sit back and think, “Ok this golf thing is really not going to intrigue him the way I thought it would.” The action phrase is pointless. The story is what really brings it home and is going to try to get him engaged in the conversation. So, it would go, “Oh my god, you’re not going to believe what just happened to me!” and then he’ll go, “What?” and then you’ll say, “Well, the good news is, I got a new pair of golf clubs. The bad news is, I still suck.” Something like that. 

    That might work to get him responding to you and if he responds I want you to end the conversation right there and then but I’m sure you probably read the book or read the website and know that that’s kind of what I do. And the reason we do this is because of–you’ve probably heard me say it. I’m going to mispronounce it because I always mispronounce this stupid psychological–The Zeigarnik Effect. That’s how it’s said. So, basically people remember uncompleted tasks better than completed tasks better than completed ones. So, the more you can end the conversations first, the more you’ll hook him in into wanting to talk to you again. 

    So, that is probably the best advice I can give you on the starter text messages but where things get really tricky is people are always under the assumption that you have to think of this awesome amazing text messages every single time to start a conversation. That’s not necessarily true. 

  • Less is more. 

  • Sometimes yes. Yeah at the beginning you usually want to do this though out text messages but once you get more rapport built and you’re talking to him more and more and more, it’s ok to start a conversation with, “Hey, what are you up to?” or something like that which a lot of people always think they need a perfect text message to start a conversation first. Yes, that’s the case after the no contact rule but you just ignored your ex for x amount of days and–

  • 55:36

  • Yeah. It might kind of weird just coming out of the blue but luckily, he’s the one who contacted you first. So, it’s a good thing that he did that. It makes your job a little bit easier contacting him. 

    So, any questions so far? 

  • You think it is weird that he has not tried to contact me since when was that? It’s been at least a week and a half ago I think. 

  • Like a week an half, two weeks? I think he’s probably contacting you for two reasons, I can conceivable think of. Number 1, is to let you know the good news and it’s good that he wanted to do that. It’s sweet because you were one of the first people that popped into his head. Number 2, is also testing to see how you would react which is something I would do. 

  •  How can I react based on your opinion? 

  • Perfect. I honestly thought you played it perfect. Playing the hard to get. I don’t like playing games in relationships. I’m not going to lie to you but they work. Playing hard to get has been scientifically proven to work. Like there’s no doubt about it. 

  • I really agree with you and I think that we should change this up. We shouldn’t call it a game anymore because it’s human nature. 

  • Yeah it is. Everyone has different things that they do, I guess. 

  • The hunt. 

  • That’s true. 

  • Chase.

  • Men do. 

  • That’s not a game. It’s just reality

  • It is. Yeah. 

  • Ok, so it’s not abnormal that I’ve not heard from him?

  • No, it’s not at all. 

  • 57:10 me

  • Yeah, he is. 

  • Ok. 

  • That would be something that I would do. That’s how I know that. All I had to do a lot of times is just think, “Oh, what would I do in this situation or how would I act?” What would be the purpose behind me doing that? So, the purpose behind me doing that there would be two purposes like I said. Number 1, tell you the good news. Number 2, see how you’d react. He maybe starting to regret his decision.

    I’ve already, I think I mentioned to you, he definitely had the Grass is greener is syndrome. He definitely thought, “Ok, grass is greener on the other side.” But the good news in your favor is you were pretty much the perfect girlfriend. So, comparing that level to other girls–I’m pretty sure maybe other girls might be up here but before long when the honeymoon period ends, they drop. 

    There’s not many other girls like probably compete with what you’ve created with him. Even though it’s a short amount of time, it did was impactful. He did message you probably. He probably messaged his friends and his family but no girls he’s hitting on. 

  • Yeah, I don’t see him taking another girl to meet his family for a very long time. I mean it’s got to be serious. 

  • Yeah. That is a definitely big step. So, it’s a positive thing for sure. I think the other thing–let’s just kind of pause and say, do you have any other question related to texting because I’m sure you probably have a few more? 

  • Ok I do. Do I do Imessage? Because if you don’t have an Iphone, I’m judging! No!

  • I do have an Iphone.

  • Ah no, should I text him or should I Snapchat? 

  • Very, very good question. 

  • Because I can see when he is over my snap chat texts, just like he did to me. 

  • Yeah, yeah. It’s an interesting question. I would ask you first. What was like your preferred method of texting communication? Was it Snapchat or was it just texting? 

  • In our relationship, it was texting and phone calls. And that’s what I loved about him. It was the fact that he was very good with communication. A lot of my exboyfriends, that’s half the reason I broke up with them. We’re not in a relationship anymore and he doesn’t–not to sound rude but he doesn’t deserve enough attention to get an actual text. He didn’t have the guts to send me a text with the good news on his results. He sent a Snapchat and maybe he did to see if I would open it. 

  • Which you did and you responded to it which is right. You did everything right. On the top of my head, I think I would go with the text message. Snapchat you can’t really–I mean yes, there’s the added aspect of the video or the picture but it’s a little limiting on how much you can write. I’m assuming. Right? So, maybe telling the story might be a little bit easier. What does he check more? I guess is the–what I’m getting at. Is it like 50-50?

  • Yeah, I mean. He does Snapchat a lot but he was very good with communication via text. 

  • I would go with text and I would say that Snapchat, it’s a good thing because now you have kind of two ways of contacting him. So, you can kind of mix it up. 

  • It just sucks because I won’t know if he doesn’t respond. 

  • He doesn’t have an Iphone? I see

  • He does have an Iphone but he doesn’t have his read receipts on

  • That stupid man! Yeah, it’s always a question. I think but it actually leads to my next point. Let’s talk about what happens if he doesn’t respond. Let’s kind of have a contingency plan here.  Because not everything–even though I can come up with a perfect text message for you, not everything works out all the time. That’s something I can’t like guarantee how he’s going to react a 100%. I maybe can give my best guess. So, what are we going to do when he doesn’t respond? 

    Well, a lot of women give up immediately. They think “Oh god. The world is ending. Things aren’t going my way. I put all this effort in.” But that’s not the way to react. 

  • No. Life is normal, as I have been. 

  • Well yeah. That’s definitely a great mindset to have but I would say the first contact text message, it’s really one of those things where you have only a couple of shots at goal. That’s how important it is. So, as much as it pains me to say this, as much as it probably going to upset a lot of women who’ve already failed doing it. It is one of those things that you can mess up if you try too many times in the wrong way. But every single text message you send gives you some data. Data that you can use.

    So, you know, ok I send this text message, he didn’t respond. This is an important data to know. So, he didn’t respond to that type of a text message. Maybe next time, you can try a different type of a text message. I’ve always–this is going to sound really weird but I’ve always had really good success with videos. And you mentioned how people are really into videos nowadays. Sending a video just of yourself. I used to send my wife when I first met her. The first thing I sent to her was a video and I sent that because I wanted to be different than any man that she ever dated and it worked!

    She opened it up and it was just a video of me sitting down eating breakfast saying, “Hey!” I don’t even remember what I said but probably it was like, “Hey, I”m Chris. Just super excited to get to know you. Blah blah blah.” I said  a bunch of stuff and I had like a banana. I was like peeling and doing it too. Something simple and real like that might get him to respond a little bit easier. 

    You can send that through Snapchat or you can send it through Iphones. It’s just–

  • That’s the second attempt? Contingency yeah? 

  • Yeah. That’s what I would try as a contingency plan. If that doesn’t work, I mean after I would say, you really have three shot at goal. You can try three times and if he’s not responsive at that point, your chances aren’t necessarily done but it is good to have a mindset, “Ok, well it’s just time to move on” And you will find–I still think he will contact you at some point and like I’ve mentioned, it’s the craziest thing but often times women hit this point where, “Ok, I am getting over him.” That is the moment that they come back into the picture.

  • The vibe. It’s the energy you bring out. 

  • Exactly. 

  • Yeah. I think that’s another human nature thing where the moment you just give up and stop thinking about him and focus on you and maybe another guy, it’s like they sense it. 

  • Yeah, yeah it is. 

  • I agree. 

  • So, I think we’re just going to end it here because it’s already been an hour we’ve been recording but before we end it, you might have some questions that I haven’t answered yet. So, go for it rapid fire. 

  • Considering I am happy and content with my life, should I even attempt to get my ex back? I quickly fell in love with him and it was truly amazing but I’m doing great as is. So, what would Chris do? 

  • I don’t like living life with regrets. I would try everything there is to try and if it failed I would move on. That’s what I would do. 

  • Oh, last question. 

    I did–and it this was not intentionally. I left a maxi dress at his house and I really would like–

  • Ah, yes. 

  • I think I might have left a pair of like my business work slacks there and they’re my favorite. I can’t find them anywhere else so, I would like to get them back at some point. I don’t know what to do about that. 

  • Ok. This is actually–I’m glad you brought this up and I’m glad that I didn’t end the episode because this is an important thing to talk about. Leaving stuff, especially if you’re–you’re kind of an older, more mature relationship. Now, a lot of the people come to the exboyfriend recovery can be in high school.

    They’re not at the point where they’re sleeping over or leaving stuff at the house. But we also have probably like 40% of women who are in your age range. So, for those women who are listening. There’s really a specific protocol that you have to approach here. Number 1, you aren’t really going to be in no contact anymore.

    So, you have an awesome opportunity to make this into an instant date.  So, at some point, you can kind of have it in your back pocket. And if you are trying to fish a way to see him in person, this is the ultimate opportunity to do it. 

    You can kind of have it in your back pocket. Even when enough attraction and rapport has been built where you think, “Ok. This is the time. I am ready to see him in person. I think I’ve done enough to re-attract him. I’ve kind of got him down in that peak aspect of the peak-end rule.

    You can use this as a method. “Hey, I think I left something at your house, do you mind if we meet up real quick and we can get it?” It’s an instant date. That’s only for you though. Ok? So, the interesting thing is if you are in the no contact rule, this is one of those cases where you can break the no contact rule early, just this once to get your things back if they are important enough. I think to you they are important enough? 

  • Yeah but I would say, for a lot of female listeners, I personally–just from my experience. I probably wouldn’t break no contact early because as soon as I see him, it’s going to bring back all of those feelings. I would honestly, I would probably just go out and buy a very similar maxi dress to avoid those hard feelings. Because it’s like everyday of no contact I see as empowerment. 

  • Yeah, it is. It is absolutely. 

  • But now that I’m past it, the no contact, I think it’s a great way to have a date and you know see him in person. 

  • Instant date, yeah. 

  • Should I mention that after my first text at some point down the road? 

  • Yeah, some point down the road, I would say, it’s important that a lot of the times by the time– I can tell how good a woman will have a chance at getting her ex back by the time she gets on her date.

    So, if she’s on her date and she hasn’t done a good job at building attraction at getting on phone with him, making him invest time and really putting in that work, she’s not going to get him back on the date but if she’s done all the work, she has a really good chance of succeeding.

    So, a lot of the time, a lot of it really revolves around the work that it takes to get on the date. So, make sure that before you do this instant. That you feel you’ve done enough to rebuild things. Kind of pique his interest a little bit more. 

  • Bait him and then reel him in?

  • Yeah. That’s kind of what we’re doing here. 

  • I like that. Well, that’s so helpful and I thank you so much for everything. 

  • Yeah absolutely. It was a pleasure having you on. 

  • Yes, thank you! You are awesome and I can’t thank you enough.

  • Absolutely. 

  • So, I will keep you posted once I get the nerve to send off this text. 

  • Yeah, definitely do that. 

  • I might run it by you first. 

  • Yeah, yeah. You got my email. 

  • Yes, but thank you. I appreciate it. 

  • Absolutely. 

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72 thoughts on “Handling The First Time You Talk To Your Ex After The No Contact Rule (Live Coaching Session)”

  1. keshah

    April 17, 2018 at 11:30 pm

    I’ve 7 days left before the no contact finishes and im very scared to text my ex for some reason. As it’s a long distance one , we didn’t meet but we’re ment to in sep. And I’ve broken the no contact before with the reminder text and don’t wonna repeat it as it’s going to be a little fishy. I was thinking off texting him something like “hai, just wanted ask the name of that funny movie we watched ,and cried of laughter over, about this lady being possessed and the preast showing up as I want to watch it with one to my friends.” or something related to Sherlock Holmes as he made me addicted to that but im not the best at constructing texts but ya. He also has an interest in another a girl who is the complete opposite of me like she’s taller then him and very skinny which isn’t his type and he did go to prom with her but didn’t post any pictures but she did so his friend told me . I do still get a goodmorning and goodnight text everyday but I don’t reply so ya idk his excuse of breaking up was that he’s been on and off loving me for a month and long distance is hard and talking all the time brings no excitement even though everytime I left he always said ” boo do you have to??” even after we broke up as I kept contact for a week trying to change my mind.He now spends all his time with his friends or the new girl but his friend said to me that she thinks that the girls just a way trying to not think off me as they have lunch together and he doesnt bother with her or spend time with her then . I have changed my looks too like he always said I should get a fringe/bangs again which I have and trying to do stuff he liked about me and changed my style to what he found cute and attractive on me. But im so afraid to text him because I dont won’t to be friendzoned by him and he is very accepting and great but hates pushy people and ya.

    1. Chris Seiter

      April 18, 2018 at 5:29 am

      Hi Keshah…You do have my ebook, right? Just follow the advice in my ebooks on texting. I provide lots of examples.

    2. keshah

      April 18, 2018 at 6:13 pm

      hi Chris, I dont . which one do you think would be the best one for me ? the ex recover or the text bible ?? and does the pro have long distance things in it too??

    3. Chris Seiter

      April 18, 2018 at 10:08 pm

      Hi Keshah! They are both great. Huge books, with lots of material. Ex Boyfriend Recovery Pro is the core ebook and covers everything. The Texting Bible has lots of content about types of texts you can use, but it goes into many other issues related to the ex recovery process. Buy one and if you like it, then get the other one.

    4. keshah

      April 19, 2018 at 12:51 pm

      hi chris last time im going to annoy you xD. are these ebooks right?? and do they work on guys who are very psychological as he is obsessed with psychology and he is turning 18 in 2 months and im older then him by nearly 2 years .

    5. Chris Seiter

      April 19, 2018 at 3:06 pm

      Hi Keshah. There is no foolproof system. No such thing. But the opportunity to optimize (improve) one’s chances in ex recovery is a real thing and I have written my ebooks with that in mind. Psychology is an important theme that runs through all my ebooks. Think of them as Companion Guides full of ideas and tactics. And by the way, you are not annoying me at all. Glad to hear from you!

    6. keshah

      April 19, 2018 at 8:32 pm

      hi Chris! I bought the ERP and honestly I feel so much at easy reading it now like it makes sense and I feel ready to start constructing the first text once i get to that part and get to read the long distance part too . thank you so much

    7. Chris Seiter

      April 19, 2018 at 10:41 pm

      Hi Keshah…that is an excellent resource. Consider it your Companion Guide as it covers off on so many situations and tactics you can employ.

    8. keshah

      April 18, 2018 at 8:11 am

      hi Chris, and no I dont as im waiting to get paid from work but I’ve to wait until next week and that’s whenni have to text him

    9. Chris Seiter

      April 18, 2018 at 11:14 pm

      Hi again. Good timing.

  2. Lo

    April 20, 2017 at 11:01 am


    I’m on day 15 of my NC period and I haven’t heard from my ex as of yet. He broke up with me at the beginning of March and there was a bit of back and forth since we lived together so he had to collect his stuff but I only responded to his texts if it was mandatory to give a response i.e. “Can I take my bed? Have you made arrangements to get one?”. After all of that, I started NC. However, I think I know him well enough to know that he won’t contact me and it will have to be me who instigates first contact after the NC period is up.

    Which leads me to my concern: I worry that he’s complacent with the no contact and that he will have no intention to contact me at all.

    Any advice would be much appreciated.


    1. EBR Team Member: Amor

      April 26, 2017 at 2:37 pm

      there’s a rest day in the tide theory.. and you will start small and then increasing number of texts day by day.. it’s not a hard rule..you can modify it if you want

  3. Anna

    February 28, 2017 at 10:55 pm

    Hi Amor!
    I just contacted my ex yesterday, he responded positively. He answered in two hours, well after that he answered almost instantly the second message. He asked me how was everyone (I followed the diagram) I didn’t message him until today. Well today I ended the conversation with that it was nice talking to him but that I had to go and he said lol and okay (Ana) likewise. He said lol because I had told him soemthing intended to be funny. The thing I wanted to ask is if I am doing good in taking long to answer maybe and hour- two hours tops; meanwhile he at first takes maybe an hour but it gets shorter as we continue to text each other? Is this good?

    – Thank you for your time!

    1. EBR Team Member: Amor

      March 1, 2017 at 7:54 pm

      Hi Anna,

      Yes, that’s good!

  4. Mee

    February 8, 2017 at 8:50 am

    Hi Chris

    My ex boyfriend broke up with me almost 3 months ago saying that he lost feelings for me. I haven’t seen him since. I know he is fighting his feelings and creating distance because he doesn’t want to hurt me again but I truly believe we are soulmates. We were together for 19 months. We met each other’s families. I am his first girlfriend but I know he is the one! We have a 4 year age gap. I’m a varsity student and he just started working. I have been through the no contact period (which has not worked because it doesn’t look like he missed me), I have tried texting him but it seems like I have to keep the conversation going and he takes hours to reply. I want to ask him to meet to catch up but I’m afraid he says no. He always says things like “good luck for your future” as if it really is the end. I have identified that I may have been a little too emotional in the relationship, and at times unintentionally clingy. I think our communication may have been a problem during the relationship because we never had a fight, he was the type to avoid conflict. I am in desperate need for your help! What can I do? I tried the text to remind him of a good time but I had to keep the conversation going. He didn’t reply to my last text. What do I do?!? How can I ask to meet him?!? Please help me!!!

    1. EBR Team Member: Amor

      February 8, 2017 at 4:09 pm

      Hi Mee,

      if you didn’t build rapporr, dont ask him to meet.. when did you do nc, how long, how much did you improve and are you still improving yourrself?

  5. Sarah

    December 19, 2016 at 3:17 pm

    My Ex and I have met at our school. He seems friendly towards me and so on, but it’s still difficult to get him to answer when I text him. How do I get him to move closer to me?

    1. EBR Team Member: Amor

      December 22, 2016 at 12:10 pm

      Hi Sarah,
      how long have you been texting? are you ending it in high note?

  6. Trish

    November 23, 2016 at 3:31 am

    Oh Amor- desperately need your help. About 45 days of no contacting, I ended up texting him about something Game of Thrones related. He responded to the text almost immediately but didn’t engage in the follow up message. A couple of weeks later, sent him a Snapchat about Cards & Against Humanity. No response. A couple of days ago (a good 2 months after the break up), he unfollowed me on Instagram & deleted me off Snapchat (but kept me on FB). The sort of content I post on Insta & Snapchat is always pretty light hearted & nothing indicates I am crying myself to sleep every night (or waking up in the middle of the night from the same bad dream). I’ve deleted my own social presence once again & want to be off it for a few weeks until I sort myself out.
    Q: why would he delete me off social out of the blue? Am at total loss on what to do. How can you get back with someone if they don’t want you to have access to their life? How do you respond to this? I’m definitely not going to get in touch for sure!

  7. Natalie

    November 18, 2016 at 8:24 pm

    Hi. Im on my 20 th day of nc. I met my ex a nightclub 2 weeks ago. We said hi and I left the nightclub without him. Do I have to start over? We are going to a concert in 4 weeks. Should I just keep on doing nc until then or should I start texting when nc is over?

    1. EBR Team Member: Amor

      November 21, 2016 at 1:29 pm

      HI Natalie,

      you dont have to restart the count and yes, you can initiate texting after the no contact period but what’s more important is that you continue improving yourself now and after nc

  8. Melanie

    November 10, 2016 at 12:32 pm

    Any updates with Whitney?? I’d love to hear how this turned out!

    1. EBR Team Member: Amor

      November 13, 2016 at 5:29 pm

      I’ll ask Chris 🙂

  9. May

    October 29, 2016 at 11:53 am

    Hello, broke up with my ex nearly a year ago. been talking now and then did all the steps and failed. Trying them again. This time im being more cautious. I didnt speak to him for 2 months. As im blocked everywhere i emailed him and said i had free theatre tickets from work and if he wanted one. He replied saying yes. Then we exchanged a few emails. literally one or 2 sentences. Its my bday in 2 weeks and all his mates are coming. I sent him another email saying all his mates will be there so if he wanted to come along he can. He said he would think about it. Got a message yday saying he will be coming.
    we havent been flirty on email but theyre just nice convos. not too friendly either. so the first time i’ll see him will be at my bday. im going to treat him like all my other friends but im nervous esp cos i dont know how it will go down.
    Why do you think he’s even coming to my bday? Just to be friends? although the last thing he said to me when we spoke 2 months ago is that we will never be friends.

    1. May

      November 13, 2016 at 8:58 am

      I’m so confused. My ex bf came to my bday dinner on Friday. He was so nice he bought all my friends drinks and was making an effort with them all. I had not seen him 5 months. I thought maybe cos he didn’t want to feel left out so he came? I texted him the next day hope u got home ok and found ur bag?. No reply. I put pics on fb but we’re not fb friends he added me to see the pics. I fbk messaged him saying can u meet me sometime this week to collect the free theatre tickets. He hasnt replied. But he has been online. So I’ve basically not got a response or heard from him since my bday dinner. He even walked me to my cab saying how beautiful I looked but he was quite drunk. I’m so confused. I won’t message him again. But is he friend zoning me?

    2. EBR Team Member: Amor

      November 15, 2016 at 10:10 am

      Nope, he didnt friendzone you, he’s ghosting you.. I think he was just nice to your friends for his own sake

    3. EBR Team Member: Amor

      October 31, 2016 at 6:24 pm

      Hi May,
      did you mean you chased him before? if you assessbit from his perspective now would you still look like you’re chasing him?

  10. Ro

    October 10, 2016 at 5:18 pm

    Hi Chris and Amor,
    I just came out of NC less than a week ago and your advice worked well. Almost too well!!! Basically, my ex is totally skipping steps! My initial contact text was awesome, and I tried to end the conversation after a few texts, but he just kept it going and going. We’ve been out of NC for less than a week and are headed on our 3rd date tomorrow. Nothing physical, all totally PG, but I’m not sure what to do. He skipped phone calls, asked me straight out on day 1 of contact, skipped coffee and took me straight out for dinner. He’s made it totally obvious that he’s missing me and leaving me was a mistake. I think this is headed for reconciliation for sure, so do I keep going at the pace he’s setting? Or do I still try tide theory? I don’t want to mess it up because it seems like it’s going too well!

    1. EBR Team Member: Amor

      October 11, 2016 at 11:26 am

      Hi Ro,

      it’s moving too fast.. I’m not saying you should say no if he asks you back, but yes, continue on in the tide theory if he doesn’t ask you back..

  11. EBR Team Member: Amor

    October 7, 2016 at 12:49 pm

    yes, do you want me to delete all of your comments?

  12. nicolle chadwick

    October 4, 2016 at 4:09 pm

    Hello. I am 8 months pregnant and my boyfriend and I just recently broke up. I am 24 years old and he is 23 years old. This is my first child and this is his second. I don’t know what to do. I want him back in my life. I broke him up with due to conflict in communication and the influence of his friends. We were only together for 7 months. Please help

    1. EBR Team Member: Amor

      October 6, 2016 at 8:43 pm

      Hi Nicole,

      When did you last talk? You need to read this one:
      How To Get Your Ex Boyfriend Back If You Are Pregnant

  13. Trish

    October 4, 2016 at 1:50 pm

    Every breakup- I’ve had until now, I’ve been upset and heartbroken but always got through telling myself that I am better off without them (and they come back in one form or the other). BUT, all of this changed until my most recent break up. Would desperately love your advice/thoughts on this.

    In June, moved over to the other side of the world (An Australian in New York) and met someone pretty unexpectedly. Wasn’t really looking for anything as I was too busy trying to familiarise myself in a new environment (land the job, sort out the apartment, make some friends, travel etc). We decided that while we weren’t official (gf/bf), we were dating exclusively and really getting to know each other. Once I felt a lot more settled, we would then ‘officialise’ it. Long story short, got into a huge drunken row (over getting into a nightclub!) in August & he unexpectedly pulled the plug (after a month of needing ‘space’ & still wanting to see me!) . His rationale for breaking up was:
    1. He can’t see us get past the fight (where he was being a stubborn dick)
    2. I am not emotionally ready for this move (note: I didn’t know him until I moved up to NY and unfortunately he saw the vulnerable/emotional side to me as I experienced homesickness, job rejections & general unsettlement when you move half way across the world without a support system)
    3. He rather me ‘focus on doing my own thing’

    To say I was devastated is an understatement. Being heartbroken in a completely new country sucks! If we realised that we want different things in life/our values don’t match, then the breakup (to me) was justified. However, I feel like he just threw away a pretty good partnership.

    While I work on settling in & enjoying the expat experience, I would very much like to ‘win’ him back. Why: Apart from having the most epic physical, emotional, mental connection, I feel like we are very much on the same path (have same life goals) & we have SO much fun together. (24 hours before the drunken fight, he told me he’s had the best non-sex related date ever)

    Initially I
    1. Started the no contact rule but he got in touch re a death in his family. Responded like a gnat (2 x messages & 1 call to check up on him) but he didn’t respond back. I haven’t approached him since & am back to abiding by the no contact role.
    2. Deleted my social presence for about 2 weeks (deactivated my FB, Instagram) accounts to give myself some time off & him to miss me. Reactivated my accounts, posted a mix of professional & fun pics. (Sounds so superficial, but it feels good when over a 150 friends like your profile pic. Plus made me realise I’m not alone!)

    After the next 50 days of no contacting/responding, what can I do? Currently, in the midst of “doing my own thing” ; travelling, kicking butt at finding work, making new friends, working out. Any help is much appreciated!

    1. Trish

      January 19, 2017 at 10:52 pm

      Hey Amor- happy new year! I hope 2017 brings everything you wish for & more! Just wanted to give you an update on my situation. Since we last spoke, the ex & I haven’t been in touch. It just hurts too much to flirt with the idea of trying to win him back. This sounds ridiculous but my gut tells me he’s moved on with someone else & obviously sees a future without me. While it’s a really sad & bitter pill to digest I do feel moving on is the best option. Thanks for all your help x

    2. EBR Team Member: Amor

      January 21, 2017 at 2:22 pm

      Thank you Trish! That means a lot.. If you really want to move on, that’s good.. Choosing yourself is always the best option.. I hope you find more happiness this year too!

    3. Trish

      November 23, 2016 at 3:32 am

      Oh Amor- desperately need your help. About 45 days of no contacting, I ended up texting him about something Game of Thrones related. He responded to the text almost immediately but didn’t engage in the follow up message. A couple of weeks later, sent him a Snapchat about Cards & Against Humanity. No response. A couple of days ago (a good 2 months after the break up), he unfollowed me on Instagram & deleted me off Snapchat (but kept me on FB). The sort of content I post on Insta & Snapchat is always pretty light hearted & nothing indicates I am crying myself to sleep every night (or waking up in the middle of the night from the same bad dream). I’ve deleted my own social presence once again & want to be off it for a few weeks until I sort myself out.
      Q: why would he delete me off social out of the blue? Am at total loss on what to do. How can you get back with someone if they don’t want you to have access to their life? How do you respond to this? I’m definitely not going to get in touch for sure!

    4. EBR Team Member: Amor

      November 25, 2016 at 4:32 pm

      Hmm.. It can mean it hurts for him to see your posts or he thinks you’re just doing it to look happy.. I agree to take a rest from it for a few weeks for now..if he’s still unresponsive, then you have to move on

    5. Trish

      October 14, 2016 at 3:41 pm

      Thanks so much Amor! The hardest part is staying strong. This sounds so pathetic but the evening he pulled the plug (over text), I’ve never sobbed so much as I have that night. Couldn’t sleep for about 2 weeks afterwards. 🙁 Am about 2 weeks away from the 45 day no contact but am tossing up about extending it until 50-60. In your experience, when should someone extend the no contact period?

    6. EBR Team Member: Amor

      October 14, 2016 at 5:15 pm

      when they didn’t improve.. If you’re going to breakdown on your first contact text, better not do it..

    7. EBR Team Member: Amor

      October 6, 2016 at 6:16 pm

      Hi Trish,

      you’re already doing what you need to do.. just stay strong in it. And then take it slow when you get back in touch again. It looks like you already know what to do.. just be consistent with your developments.